Heaven's Lights Heaven's Lights: Carol Thatcher AND Emmanuel Milingo

Saturday, November 04, 2006

Carol Thatcher AND Emmanuel Milingo

There are lots of remarkable news that caught my attention, but I didn't collect them, and yet, I couldn’t forget 2 of them

1) Carol Thatcher (50s years old), the daughter of Margaret Thatcher made a DNA test and through this test they found out that quarter of the family genes are Arabic!! So, now they are studying the family tree and historical roots of this family to see from where they got their Arabic genes,, from her father or her mother. I tried to find a website with this news, but I couldn’t find any link.
A humorous writer said: it's a great news,, it's a great way to mingling and "impregnating" cultures and civilizations. He suggests making same test to all world leaders and even Jewish leaders and see how much Arabic genes they have. That could be a positive act to help making new page,, a family relationship between west and east.
So, what do you think about that?!! :)

2) Another news didn't amaze me, but the reaction amazed me!!

Read This: ((One of Africa's best-known Catholic priests, the Zambian archbishop Emmanuel Milingo, is to be excommunicated from the church after getting married.
His wife is a South Korean woman and they were married in New York at a ceremony presided over by the Reverend Moon of the Unification Church.
The Zambian Catholic Bishops' Conference has condemned his marriage as a betrayal. But there are increasing calls from Catholics across the world that the celibacy of the priesthood should be ended.

I always liked nuns and priests,, I really did. I thought the best job any human can do is working for God with trueheartedness and honesty. Gave up all pleasures and life for God is so noble, but as I growing up I found it's really wonderful thing, but nuns and priests are still humans and have their own needs. They need what other humans need. They need a family, a wife/husband and kids. They can continue work in churches and have happy life with their own family. They are not infallible and they could make some mistakes and sins. They should get the choice to get married if they want that,, it's more better than making sins and let them suffer more.

I know I'm not Christian to intervene, but I really respect them and I think many of Christians will share my view.


Anonymous mona said...

1. interesting :D
2. kul wa7d y3esh kef bdo, ma bhem sho ho aw sho deno :)

11/04/2006 12:03 PM  
Blogger A.Adam said...

Dear Noor I'm not very surprise about DNA tests, here's a link Safia Speaks post and you missed it I guess
may be would be interesting for you :)

11/04/2006 1:25 PM  
Blogger halalhippie said...

1: Interesting :-) We humans are more related than many of us like to think.

2: Reactions amazed you ? You mean excommunication ? Well, I too admire ppl who can leave the world behind and do God's work: some ppl can do that, most cannot.

In Medieval Europe, the Catholic church was almost the only place a man could make a career. He had to vow chastity, even if he couldn't live without sex. So there was a lot of secret sins and guilt. Luckily, Protestant clerics can marry, so they don't have to fight nature, so to speak.

"I know I'm not Christian to intervene" but hey, you're human an open-minded.

I'm curious to what you think of inter-faith marriage. I know that supposedly a Muslim man can marry a Christian or Jewish woman. But what about a Muslim woman marrying a Christian or Jewish man ? Should one convert ? Or keep their faith ? Which one counts the most ?

11/04/2006 2:36 PM  
Blogger Chet said...

Great post! I am not to surprised either by the DNA test. After all we all come from Adam and Eve. I agree with you on priests and nuns being human and cannot see why they shouldn't be allowed to live their lives with a family and still be faithful to God.

11/04/2006 8:18 PM  
Blogger Living Away said...

I didn’t know it was possible to find out about ethnic group by a DNA test. Surprise, surprise!
About nuns and priest:
Nuns are married to Jesus Christ and priests are married to the Church itself! They even use a wedding’s ring.
And priest they don’t get marry to “real person” for inherit reasons. The Catholic Church is a millionaire church and even though the priests have their own salary, they live in houses, which belong to the church! Everything they own belongs to the church after their death.

11/05/2006 1:02 PM  
Blogger I love Munich said...

Just imagine - I get the creeps to even THINK of that - Avigdor Lieberman, this faschist, finds out all of a sudden, he carries Arab genes .. or the other way around, that an Arab leader carries Jewish genes! I think that should be done artificially (I am KIDDIDNG!!) as nobody would fight the own families! It sure would help world peace ...

Celibacy in Christianity is in my eyes TOTALLY unnatural and against any human nature!
How on earth should a priest who was never married and has no idea about the problems involved - seriously do family counseling?? Or advise on raising children?
OF COURSE they should be able to marry ... no question about THAT!

11/05/2006 3:28 PM  
Blogger Tristan Vick said...

living away-

Nuns are married to Jesus Christ and priests are married to the Church itself!

Interesting! If the Holy Rollers are indeed bonded to the 'Church' in a man-made ritual, then I highly doubt they understand the concept behind 'body of Christ' in the Christian sense. Which would make them folly to the fornification of a pagan mistress, marrying to the idolization of a 'religious organization' instead of living with Love of Him in their hearts.

After all, it was Jesus Christ (Himself) who said:

4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made[a]them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’[b] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?[c] 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.

As far as I'm concerned, a Church makes a poor female and an even poorer wife.

11/07/2006 2:14 AM  
Blogger Noor said...

Mona: hello and yes,, it can be interesting to have family relationship with westerners.
9a7,, kol wa7d 7or la ya3mal sho ma bado :)

Adam: u won't believe that,, I didn't visit Safia for a looooong time!! I feel sorry I missed lots of her excellent posts. I don't have much time to visit all blogs in my list. I hope she can understand that and forgive me :( , but yes, her post is very informative and fabulous, I loved it :) and I never knew that there are Libyan Jews!! Interesting!!!!

Halalhippie: Yes, I just hope that will open new door for us to find what gather us as one big family and not what make us different.
Yes, for god's sake, he got married and did no sin!! So, why they excommunicate him if he thinks he can continue and be good priest and good family man?!! ,, hmmm, well done, another good point for Protestants, that's the good way to make them in the straight path and not force them to do sins secretly.
Interesting point. I do support the marriage between different backgrounds and faiths. Now, in Islam, men can marry women with different religions, while Muslim women can't do that unless the men converted to Islam becos they say the kids must be Muslims. While sometimes I found opposite of this formula,, Muslim men left their kids with their non-Muslim mothers and the kids followed their mother!!! I think I read too about Muslim women married non-Muslim men, but I don't know how it considers in Islam. From my side, I think I love to see this kind of marriages, but with limits of religion. I would love to marry someone from different culture, but still Muslim. I know a story of earlier Muslims,,, non-Muslim gentleman proposed to a Muslim lady,, he loved her and she loved him too, but she said: you are great and gentleman and I will love to marry you, I don't want any money or gifts,, my Mahar=dowry will be your conversion to Islam. So he did, he did that only to marry her as he loved her so much, but then he studied Islam very well and became good Muslim.
Interesting,, right :)

Chet: thank u. yes, we are all sons and daughters of Adam and Eve. So, we must be relatives. Happy to know you are also support their right to stay faithful and straight without any clash between their work and their human nature.

Leandra: neither I :) I just surprised as you and I loved to know more about it.
I see, as I told u it was really rosy image for people living in house of God and dedicate their lives for God only, but that not means they are not like other people and they don't have same nature. At least, put it as an option for them, who want to marry and have family, can do that and who think he/she can live without that can also do that.

Karin: what a thought!!! I will throw my self out of the window,, hahahaha,, just kidding! :D
But WHY NOT?!!!!! I mean I heard once about this crazy thought and I said : WHY NOT. All the divine missions happened here and prophets started from here, in the Middle East. So, sure we have mutual genes. We can think about this for real and seriously, it can help us to find a common ground for world peace. So, I say it from now, I love you all, my dear cousins. :)
Yes, u r right, it's against human nature and they didn't even think about it and there is no option for priests and nuns to overcome this obstacle. The solution of this case is allowing marriage and stop pushing them to be sinful.

Tristan: u must look deeper to the case as a human before being a Christian and respect what they did so far and respect their needs to be natural and express their wishes to be normal. it's better for u to have happy and stable and nuns. it's better to let them be in right way instead of sinful secrets.

11/08/2006 8:04 AM  
Blogger halalhippie said...

"Muslim women can't [marry a non-muslim] unless the men converted to Islam becos they say the kids must be Muslims"

That's the mainstream view, I guess. I read at http://www.submission.org/women/mis.html that "This common misconception is advocated and promoted by men but have no basis in the Quran. Quran gives both men and women the right to marry from the people of the book, i.e. Muslims, Jews or Christians. God also reminds us that the marriage to a believer is much better than the marriage to an idolworshiper. See 5:5 and 2:221."

No, I am not proposing to marry you :-) [but hey, if I convert, I can have more than one wife....just joking]

Interestingly, here in DK, a child gets the religion of the _mother_ by law, unless both parents decide otherwise.

11/11/2006 3:52 PM  
Blogger Noor said...

Halalhippie dear: i can't tell u anything and I'm not expert in Share'a. but, as i know, women can lead men if they want 'as what happened in that story' :)

anyway, u r already attached to a woman in ur country, so noway to marry another unless u r Muslim. but, hey, don't think that Muslim men can marry 4 or even 2. First, there are strict conditions to marry another woman and second, Muslims women are not weak and we don't accept that without convincing reason. So, who want to marry me will be only for me, no other woman allowed.

Well, maybe u r not my type anyway, and, maybe I'm not ur type either :)

but, I never knew about DK law,, interesting indeed!!!
i knew that Jews women kids follow their mothers and not father.

But, wait, yes, we r boycotting Denmark, so I will not marry Danish,,,
hahahaha,,, just kidding!!

11/13/2006 4:32 AM  
Anonymous cal said...

I strongly believe that if a non-muslim wants to marry a muslim, he/she must convert to Islam. It's strictly non-negotiable. But converting to another religion is no walk-in-the-park. Depends on the person really.

11/20/2006 2:41 AM  

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