Heaven's Lights Heaven's Lights: ((I See No Bravery))

Monday, September 04, 2006

((I See No Bravery))


Anonymous Anonymous said...

alslam 3laykum w ra7mato allah w brkatuh,

where are you arab people ??

imagine yourself one of them.. could you ??

9/05/2006 2:35 AM  
Anonymous candle of hope said...

may Allah help all muslims

9/05/2006 10:39 AM  
Blogger A.Adam said...

may Allah help all muslims, Amen

9/05/2006 10:58 AM  
Blogger chet said...

Tears in my eyes and a heavy and broken heart. I am lost for words.

I can only echo what candle of hope and a. adam has said.
May Allah help all Muslims.

9/05/2006 3:57 PM  
Blogger Noor said...

anonymous, I did that, i put myself and imagined myself there. for that, i try my best to spread the truth and what is really happening there ,, to let all people see and feel the suffering.

Hope , Adam, Chet,,,
Ameeeeeeeen to ur truthful prayers.

9/06/2006 10:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good morning ,

ok, you are stronger than me, I couldn't:(:$...

allah y2drek w ywf2ek ;)

may Allah help all muslims =)

9/07/2006 12:32 AM  
Blogger Tristan Vick said...

Don't Mess with TEXAS!!! Wooo!!!

--because Bush is from Texas. See? It's a joke.

People dying isn't a joke... but let's not forget that they were all dying continuously for a thousand years before Bush ever came around.

And I hate any video which takes a "war" scenario and tries to attach the concept of Bravery to it.

Yet it makes one wonder that with the given terms, where does bravery fit into a clash of world ideologies? Religion is the cause of much of the worlds fighting...

I think we should kill Religion. Then move onto what terrorism is... and how to combat fear with bravery.

But even that is futile without love.

LOVE is the only thing which will save mankind. And the question isn't who is being brave, or who is not being brave, but the real question is WHO is LOVING with all of their heart? Where is this type?

9/07/2006 2:06 AM  
Blogger I love Munich said...

That really hit me, that went deep. It is SUCH a disgrace, such a HORRID crime .. what has to happen that this world will finally wake up and recognizes what is going on?? That a whole nation is destroyed and it's population murdered, tortured, robbed of a future for their children, mamed .. and ALL on the order of ONE MAN who claims to be the leader of this world!!

I don't want to elaborate here .. I' feel too much rage right now - all I want to say is MAY ALLAH TAKE CARE OF HIM ... HIS WAY!!

9/08/2006 2:20 AM  
Blogger Abed. Hamdan said...

Tristan Vick:

Iraq was stable with Saddam, yeah he wasn't the best president, but I think he healed the country after the long English imperialism, and Iraq had many great universities, and people used to go there to study from all over the world.

Now Iraq needs at least 100 yrs to heal, if not more.

God Bless Iraq

and Religion is never the cause of wars, It's been used by politicians as a cover for wars. Religion is the way we worship God.

9/09/2006 5:20 AM  
Blogger Tristan Vick said...

i love munich-

Welcome to the human race. It's a scary world out there, but complaining about it ain't sovlin' a darn thing. And placing blame, well that's one step in the wrong direction. What we need now more than ever it to turn our eyes and our hearts towards loving...

not only the victims, but loveing the enemy as well.


Don't take this the wrong way, but I could care less about how Iraq was or is now.

It's like saying I didn't like the Toronto University up in Canada because it had to many seperatists... and then to go back and say that just because they were political they would have worked better in the State of Ohio in America, because at least there their voices would be heard.

Whether or not Iraq was more stable in the past doesn't change the fact taht bad people are in this world. And it doesn't changed what happened. This is not the 'could have happened a different way' game. This is the -now that its happened, how can we make the world a better place? And this... is a reality.

And you will see people's true worth when they are tested on their morality. Are their hearts about creating animosity so others will "wake up to the truth" or are they about learning to love and then to share this love so others can learn that animosity can be a thing of the past?

I think if there is one truth to wake up to that it's pretty plain to see that truth is love and forgiveness the way they were taught by a very special person. Yet as of late it seems many are turning a blind eye to such 'radical' teachings... for the more conventional survial game.

Religion... by its definition... puts us in the political arena. Spirituallity on the other hand is the closeness and relationship we have with the Maker on a personal level. If you study religion you will find its never served any perpose than its own sociopolitical function; and just because theology is a part of that doesn't mean you can seperate it from its function.

9/09/2006 10:32 AM  
Blogger Noor said...

Anonymous, Hello and thank you, you can do it urself. If you know something and know it's the truth and know there are people out there have wrong or false ideas about it, you should lighting them, help them to see and feel, help them to lift that darkness and fog. I used to do nothing, I used to feel bad and sad without any actions, but through blogs, I think I can express my feelings. I can share with other people what I see and what I have. Give it a try and you will be happy.

Tristan, Yes, we know that Bush is from Texas as we watched him in his Ranch. Do you know that Sendy shihan's supporters bought the land next to the bush's ranch?
Anyway, yes, people are dying by different reasons; we should exclude the natural reasons because we can control that while we can stop wars and aggressions. Can't we?!!
I think the song speaks the truth about what really going on there. Why Americans went to Iraq because they said Sadam has strong links with Al Qaeda. Now, a new report confirms that there was NO relations or links between Sadam and Al-Qaeda. What Americans did was a huge mistake with unforgivable results.
You are more dreamer than me, Tristan. Some people know nothing about LOVE without self-interests. Some can LOVE you today and HATE you tomorrow according to their own interests.
Karin, Dear Beloved Sister, I wish there are many of you who can go beyond the lines and find the truth and facts. If we can spread the truth, maybe we can help other to see.
Abed: God Bless you, Yes Sadam wasn't that good leader and I don't like him at all, but at least Iraqis managed to keep going and live. Sadam agreed to leave ruling and go out of Iraq peacefully before the invasion, but American administration went quickly to invade Iraq and stop this peaceful changes.
Yes, Religions are Free from causing wars.
Tristan, I respect and love your words about LOVING. But, American administration should be the one who get these words and advise if they really care about loving anyone. As I saw, they loved who served their interests and has more money and power.
If they don't give a **** to their own people, American people, how can we expect they will care about other peoples?!!!!

9/11/2006 11:10 AM  
Blogger Um Haleema said...

When did Sadaam say he was going to step down? I never heard that! Do you have a link to that speech?

Sadaam invaded a sovereign nation, Kuwait. He was a threat to his own people (including family), his neighbors and the world. He had to be removed from power.

Were the poor souls in Sadaam's mass graves not Muslims? Was his son in law not Muslim? Are we only to care about the Muslims that die by the hands of non-Muslims?

Noor:"Yes Sadam wasn't that good leader and I don't like him at all, but at least Iraqis managed to keep going and live." The ones in the mass graves are DEAD not living. You realize that there are women and children in those graves don't you?

9/14/2006 4:58 AM  
Blogger Noor said...

Oh, welcome back Um Haleema. I missed U!! Really,,, long time away, Huh. Hope U were okay. Anyway, Yes my dear I know and I realize. I know how they suffered so much with Sadam. But now are they more safety than before??!!!
Sadam agreed to leave Iraq peacefully when UAE asked him to leave power without any problem and make like a Deal to let him go out to any place as exile. i heard that myself on TV from sheik Abdullah Bin Zayed at that time and before invasion. So there were serious attempts at that time to rid of Sadam without any war and killings. I don't have a link, but if I get a link I will give it to you.
I don't say he didn't make any horrible crimes, but the same crimes still happening to unarmed people. If you are watching carefully, you will see what I see. I meant there that normal people managed to go out and work and keep going despite the siege. Now, they can't even go out their homes and even in their homes, soldiers attacking an do horrible things to them. I guess you heard about some of that. aren't you?!

9/15/2006 11:39 AM  
Blogger Um Haleema said...

I don't believe at all that Sadaam had any intention of leaving the power. If he did he would have left but he did not. If he cared about the suffering of his countrymen he would have followed the cease fire terms after he had lost Kuwait but he didn't and he allowed many to suffer and die from lack of medicine or starvation while he made a fortune with his illegal dealings. I think that if you are paying any attention to the horrible things that are happening in Iraq you would see that the problems are not coming from what the soldiers are doing. The soldiers are not a part of the death sqads that are killing 50 or mre people a day, The soldiers are not suicide bombing people out looking for jobs so that they can feed their families,the soldiers are not threatening people to leave their homes because their names sound Shite or Sunni, the soldiers are not killing the Iraqi army. Those are fellow Muslims that are doing those horrible things. It is all about the hunger for power, control and corruption and nothing at all to do with "democracy" or "Americans". If you paid any attention to the news you would know that the people that are dying in Iraq are not dying at the hands of soldiers from any country but from so called "Muslims". Try to look past you hatred for the "west" and see what is really going on. War is ugly, war is sad and Sadaam should never have started that war in Kuwait and he would still be in power and filling up mass graves and threatening his neighbors. Only we wouldn't have to see or hear any of it because the people would be too afraid to open their mouths and speak against him for fear for their lives just like before.

9/15/2006 3:09 PM  
Blogger Noor said...

Oh, honey, take it easy, we are discuss peacefully. I respect ur opinion dear. But think about it again. He had no other option. Iraq at that time destroyed all its weapons under "UN supervisors" who were really "USA supervisors". So, he knew that they know that Iraq had not any weapons of Mass destructions or any dangerous weapons like they have. He knew that he will fall and he will get or win anything. He didn't think about people of Iraq, he only thought about himself. For that he agreed for that deal and wanted to leave Iraq without losing anything. On the other hand, America sped up the invasion to stop this deal or any other option can prevent invasion of Iraq.
You didn't read or went though the history of his fights whether with Iran and Kuwait. When he was fighting Iran, USA supported him, defended him, and provided him with all what he needed. Then, USA helped him secretly to invade Kuwait and he used American weapons. USA turned her back when his megalomania overcame him and fired toward Israel. That's was the straw that broke the back of camel. He went so far "in USA view", he didn't go so far when he was fighting Iran or when he invaded Kuwait, no. anything but Israel.
Now, yes, all what you said was right, but USA didn't invade iraq to Free Iraqis as they claimed, if you believe in that. That will be disaster indeed!! No, U r more clever than that,,, u know as I know why USA did that and how people now more suffering than before. In a very daring documentary, solider admitted that he guarded American Oil companies in south of Iraq and get 3,000 dollars. He commented, why they get the wealth and Oil and I get nothing?? So why not I work as a guard and make my own money!!
It's clear that USA soldiers are free to kill there,,, they even enjoy killing people. Yes, I'm really good watcher. As for the suicide bombers, I wonder why this happening now and never happened in Sadam rule. It's a chaos and you think it can't be done by soldiers! I once watched a small part of report in Al Jazeera and I really shocked to see an unbalanced young man had been used in bad way. Some people wrapped his waist with explosive materials, and people of that area caught him and tied him. I felt so bad when he spoke because it was clearly he is unstable and brainless, poor young man. So, someone used him to kill people with him and that was awful, no matter who did that and can be anyone. Yes, USA worked so hard to make it like that, perfect for civil war. Stupid war because of denominations. People of Iraq lived in harmony until USA came and applied the famous rule in world: "separate to rule".
The death squads could be anyone and work for anyone too!! So don't be so sure for whom they are working. There are many traitors and many who work only for money. Who do this is certainly not Muslim and never represents real Islam. He is away from Faith and from God. Don't forget my words there, we have "unpleasant" type of people who are not represent us or real Islam.
I don't hate "west" my dear. If I do, I will never have friends from there and even dear American friends. My American friends agreed with me and provided me a closer look to what regular Americans know about cases,, friends understand what I mean by American, the bad American, USA administration and Gang. Friends understand when I get mad for a case they know and other can't even figure it out. Friends that never mad for my ignorance of their way of life and with love help me to see and I help them to know more too about my life and me.
They are against Bush and they want to see new president and wise modest equitable that can really represent the Real Honorable Americans.
Thank you for all what you gave me Um Haleema, you reminded me and helped me to talk about other issues.
Have a nice day Dear.

9/18/2006 7:05 AM  
Blogger Um Haleema said...

You sound like you are trying to excuse Sadaam by saying that the US supported him. What in the world does that have to do with what kind of murderous leader he was? We are not talking about the US we are talking about the Iraqis and their lives under Sadaam. Please visit the link below to get a feel for what life was like under that brutal man.

"The Iraq memory Foundation is a non-governmental group that was established by a number of Iraqi former exiles to document more than 35 years of miseries Iraq and the Iraqis had lived under the rule of the Baath party and Saddam Hussein. One of the projects this foundation is working on is to document testimonies of Iraqis who have suffered torture or lost relatives to the brutal regime of Hussein. I have got a pack of five DVDs telling stories of about 40 Iraqis. Here, I will tell some of these stories to participate in telling the world our dark history of more than three decades."

More from this same Iraqi blogger:
"Today, Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, who heads the biggest and one of the most influential Shiite group in Iraq, appeared before a mob of thousands of Shiites and provoked more ethnic and sectarian-based assassinations and urged the sheep flock to arm themselves and kill Iraqis in the streets. All this was aired on the Iraqi government’s official TV station."

Noor said: "Don't forget my words there, we have "unpleasant" type of people who are not represent us or real Islam."

But see that is where you are wrong. They DO represent Islam. When they are speaking their hate filled speeches in the Masjids on Fridays they are representing Islam. When Al Jazeera broadcasts their (Bin Laden and his followers)hate filled tyrades Al Jazeera is helping to spread this wrong vision of Islam not only to the "West" but to the young impressionable Muslim who then believes that the best thing he can do is to put on a suicide vest and kill the infidel. We may WISH that they didn't but they do and they are the ones that need to be stopped.

Noor said: "In a very daring documentary, solider admitted that he guarded American Oil companies in south of Iraq and get 3,000 dollars. He commented, why they get the wealth and Oil and I get nothing?? So why not I work as a guard and make my own money!!

I'm not sure what your point is here. He was making money "on the side" from an independent company not the U.S. Is this supposed to prove the the coalition forces were only there to steal oil or something?

Did you know that Bush got the vote of the majority of eligible Muslim voters living in the US? They loved how conservative he was. I may have told you this before but, in case I didn't, I am NOT pro Bush (either the first one or the 2nd one)or pro war.

9/18/2006 9:04 AM  
Blogger Tristan Vick said...

Um Haleema-

Those are some good points.

I think the poor Iraqi people have it doubly bad.

First off they have suffered greatly under any numerous regimes, doesn't matter the name of any one regime, the power has never been the people's.

I think the USA occupation was unwarrented, but it's a regime which will return the power to the people.

I mean, instead of Muslims blaming the USA for any numerous reason, I think your point can open some eyes, and maybe ears...

We should ALL stop making excuses and start listening to the Iraqi people and what they have to say.

And no matter how horrible things are now... at the end of the day when all the dust settles... I know that I've NEVER heard an Iraqi person say how great Sadaam Hussien's rule was. They may say that things were different, or there was a controlled fear and because they new what to expect there was a comfort in the timely terror and persacution, but NOBODY has ever said, "WOW, IT WAS SO GREAT! I CAN'T WAIT TO EXPERIENCE IT ALL OVER AGAIN."

But maybe this is a stereotypical assumption. I've only talked to three or four Iraqi's in person and I've only read about thoroughly, who am I to catagorize them as a peace loving people? Who know, maybe I'm wrong.

Perhaps, my basic assumption that human's don't like senseless evil and cruelty inclicted upon them is wrong. Maybe Iraqi's like such horrible and atrocious things... but I doubt it.

I really really doubt it. But the entire time I've been on about the poor Iraqi's... I've neglected to here their side of things entirely, and I think that's when Um Haleema's testimony's of real Iraqi people becomes important for all of us, because it's something we have to consider if we're going to *assume* what is and what isn't right for the Iraqi people.

But need I say this is the problem which needs to be changed? Because who's right is it to tell the Irai people what to think, do, or say? Shouldn't the Iraqi people have this choice, have this freedom, for themselves?

Yes! And that is what Democracy is... the right to choose freedom and take that freedom and then defend it, so that cruel dictators have no say in the tourment inflicted upon the civility of the human race.

9/18/2006 11:30 AM  
Blogger Noor said...

Oh my god. U make me laugh indeed!! How can I excuse a murderer (killed people and caused death of innocent people ). How can I excuse who made my angel friend suffer through his stupid megalomania. Dear, I hate him as much as USA administration. USA administration supported anyone no matter he is tyrannical or not.the problem is not Saddam,, his day came and no one will run from punishment sooner or later, but what make it worst that USA play the role of world police and in the same time overlook who serves her no matter he is doing. There are who are worst than Saddam and USA did nothing by their confession and the reason is they serve USA very well.!!!!
YES YES, I forgot to tell v. v. important thing. U said up there (Sadaam invaded a SOVEREIGN NATION, Kuwait). lol, so what USA did in Iraq and other countries. What USA did when they kidnapped innocent people living in SOVEREIGN NATIONS without any permission? This called (flagrant and shameful transgression).
I visited Iraqi blogs before, but after rethinking, I found out that some of them can't represent the tragedy as my friend there.
Can u tell me who came to rule Iraq after Saddam :) Yes, them, who lived in USA and West and USA will not allow anyone who is not support her in Iraq. Policy is so dirty and who enter there must get rid of his conscience and feelings and maybe fill his hands with blood. U can buy traitors so easily with money,, no matter the religion that they belong to, they are ready to give up all things for money and power.
I just feel sorry for them, who betray his own people, no one will trust him.
I know u r right. I know the image copied from these, but still there is Hope. After 9/11 we thought it will be a disaster on Muslims, the tolerant Muslims and real Islam, but that help more as westerners went by themselves and read more about Islam. The result was many of them converted and be Muslims after they touched the pure river of Islam.
I'm so optimistic and I even watched a report about converters in USA. New Muslims, moderate Muslims, like that pretty lady "Angela" from California who became Muslim and more that 20, 000 Americans go to mosques and learn about Islam. That's really lovely!!
lol, UH, try to go beyond the words. He was talking about the "stealing" of Iraqi OIL in the south. They offered him to be a guard not solider and gain 3,000 dollars per month. So, he said why not?? They steal and I should get a share too!!! :) so clear honey.
Yes, some of them gave him their sounds because he lied and gave promises. We know how politicians should be professional in deceiving and lying on people. Besides, there is no other options,, all who be nominated in president election are SAME. I mean, all of them passed and accepted by Pro-Israel otherwise he will not be nominate and they can stick any scandal to him like what happened to Ralph Nader!
Well, can I consider this a new hint,,, u r in America then. I'm really happy that u r not Pro-WARS. God Bless U :)

Tristan: I liked when u said: I think the USA occupation was unwarranted. But I don't agree with u in the next line: but it's a regime which will return the power to the people. This will not happen till USA get all what they need and establish its bases in Iraq as well as other countries. They said we will leave in … then, they changed it to … and so on. They are not in hurry to get out till they get all OIL and WEALTH they needs. Iraqis must pay the price of bombs that USA generously threw them on their heads.
Trust me, they can't express their feelings now. I know that. They hated Sadam and now they hate USA. They can't express that publicly, now they are afraid of USA hegemony. Through my friend's words in her long letter, I can touch her suffering and anger to what happen there. I can understand her code of sadness and anger, but she try to be calmer and believer. Therefore, she leaves that to GOD. May God Save her and her brother and sister.

9/21/2006 4:44 AM  

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