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Thursday, April 26, 2007

Teachings of Talmud concerning Non-Jews

Teachings of Talmud concerning Non-Jews

* Cheat Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a. A Jew need not to pay a cuthean (gentile) the wages owed him for work.

* Lie to Non-Jews
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use subterfuges (lies) to circumvent a Gentile.

* Kill, rob and steal Non-Jew
Baba Mezia 24a. If a Jew finds an object lost by a heathen (gentile) it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a cuthean (gentile)... Sanhedrin 57a. When a Jew murders a gentile, there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a cuthean (gentile) he may keep. Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the the law and God has exposed their money to Israel. [ Remember this when you seek the advice of Jewish lawyer ]

* Non-Jews are Sub-humans
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals. Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth. Baba Mezia. Jews are human beings ; the other peoples of the world are not human beings, but beasts. Abodah Zorah 22a-22b. Non-Jews prefer do sex with cows.

* Hitting a Jew deserves death
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

* Preparing for a crime
Moed kattan 17a. If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

* Blasphemy against Jesus Christ
Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is being boiled in hot excrement.

* Blasphemy against the blessed Mary Jewish names for the blessed Mary :
A prostitute, and an adulterer

* Destroy the New Testament
Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament [ Dr. Israel Shahak of Hebrew University reports that the Israelis burned hundreds of New Testament Bibles in Occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish religion, p.21 ). ]

*** I copied it from a website! And I'm speechless!!!!!

Actually, I read an article for one of my favorite writers and scholars "Mohammed Al Awadi" long time ago and he mentioned this subject about Talmud.
So, I went to see myself and it was true!!!


Blogger Tristan Vick said...

It's interesting to note that many of the customs shared between the Jews and the Muslims come from this age old Middle Easter way of thought.

Thus you get works such as the Talmud and the Hadith.

Of course there arises, as in any good story, a hero to challenge these archaic ideas. Amidst the controversy stands the prodigal radical: Jesus Christ. Who challenged these fatalistic age old ideologies with a pure message from the ONE and only GOD... and the message Christ so adamantly preached was LOVE.

So it doesn't matter if you're a Muslim, a Jew, or a Christian. Jesus came and told everyone a very simple thing... in order to get into GOD's kingdom... WE ALL must stop doing bad, and start loving each other and God.

So whatever 'evil' is inherent in man's harts, and whatever evil seeps into the Talmud, Hadiths, or any other holy books... Christ taught how to combat that evil with love... God's love.

And this is important to keep in mind before we start pointing fingers and finding each others faults. Before we start hating again... let's pause and reflect on the importance of this teaching... this Christian ideal of LOVE conquering all. And I think in our hearts... we know the message to be true. Love will prevail in the END... because it is GOD's love which will conquer all.

[b]12Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13Share with God's people who are in need. Practice hospitality.

14Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.

17Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. 18If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written:

"It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. 20On the contrary:

"If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.

In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." 21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

–Romans 12:12-22[/b]

5/03/2007 7:17 AM  
Anonymous cal said...

How r u Noor? Haven't heard from u in long time. Your latest posting is, well, interesting. I never knew that Jews feel this way about others who are not Jewish. Its sad really, almost absurd. Anyway, I think you know this, your name came up on CNNFAN.ORG and that really surprised me coz i never knew that you visit that site often too. It was refreshing to see a familiar name :)

Can a Jew, Muslim and Christian sit together in the same room and talk about peace and working together???? I read a book containing a collection of the hadiths and somewhere it mentioned that among the people of the book, the jews hate Muslims the most and that Muslims and Jews will clash till the Last Hour. God only knows the truth.

5/13/2007 9:57 PM  
Blogger HalalHippie said...

Interesting post... what are you trying to say ? That Jews are liars ?

If Wikipedia is correct the Talmud was written around 200-500 CE when the Jews were scattered, persecuted and trying to survive. Maybe it's self-preservation. Tristan can probably say a lot about the origin of the Talmud.

If you look up "taqiyya" it is permissible to deny you're a Muslim if your life is in danger. Some Muslims may take it even further and think lying to a kufr is not a grave sin. And some kufr may take the taqiyya verses out of context and decide that "Muslims are liars"
I'm afraid it's not as simple. Some ppl are just dishonest

(In fact some Westerners take all the "kill-them-all" verses in the Qu'ran to mean that Muslims are out to kill, or enslave all non-Muslims)

cal: "Can a Jew, Muslim and Christian sit together in the same room and talk about peace and working together?" I'd say it depends on the person and not the religion.

If we could put our religion behind us (being our history, language and culture) and not between each other, what a wonderful world it would be.

5/14/2007 3:35 PM  
Blogger Noor said...

Tristan, thank you so much for your informative comments. You are always special in your comments. Well, I agree with you that we share same conceptions and customs somehow, but still some things are not really rational or accepted.
I don't want here to attack any one or any religion, it's only something I didn't know and I have no idea about Talmud or Judaism as I have about Christianity.

{ in order to get into GOD's kingdom... WE ALL must stop doing bad, and start loving each other and God.} ,, I totally agree here, it's a rule in my life and it's a base in Islam.
I believe that God gave us minds to use it by our own and think by ourselves to see what's rational and what's not.

Nice to read ur quotations,,, I loved it!

CAL, hi dear, nice to have u back. Sorry, I'm busy now and I have my things to do,,, but I will be back eventually.
CNNFAN.ORG! ! ! ! believe it or not! I don't even know this site! !
Yes, I used to watch CNN and I love Hala Gorani and Richard Quest, but Now I don't spend that much of time in front of TV.
Well, I don't know really,,, I believe we can find a common ground and sure we can be good friends and close to each other if we neglect the differences and focus only on the similarities.
The clash between Jews and Muslims! Well, I don't know really,,, we see this everyday and we see the conflict in Palestine.
It's hard to think in the same way of those who have hidden plans.

HalalHippie... Wow! What happened to that Hippie man??? !

Well, NO,,, I don't attack anyone here dear, I don't accuse anyone with anything.
Something caught my attention and only wanted to know more about it, True or False. That's all!
Well, yes, you are right! Some things in other religions are not clear to us or we can see it in different perspective. In old times, some Muslims who were under torture got the permission to lie and say that they are not Muslims, while their hearts were full with faith and love to God.
I liked ur point, it depends on the person not his religion, his way of thinking, how he look to others and his ability to be close and befriend others.
Well, you know what, sometimes I think in the same way, some people become so extremists and deface the religions,, so they make us –the normal people- feel bad and guilty or afraid to be religious lest accuse as extremists as well.
Is it the fault of religion or people?? ! !
I'm sure it's only human's fault ,, that because of our imperfectness.

Thank u all for dropping by and I will come back soon with new post.

5/30/2007 4:19 AM  
Anonymous Lynn said...

What can you tell us about The Pact of Umar?

6/05/2007 1:04 PM  
Blogger HalalHippie said...

Cyclone Gonu a-coming your way, take care. Don't get sand in your sandwich :-) (How's that for old hippie ?)

I never thought you were calling Jews liars. No more than taqiyya makes Muslims liars.

And I'd love to hear about the pact of Omar from your POW.

6/05/2007 1:51 PM  
Blogger Noor said...

Lynn, What can YOU tell me about The Pact of Omar?
what do you know in the first place???

HalalHippie,Cyclone Gonu,,,hmm,, it was nothing in fact, alhumdulella,,,it changed to be a storm with less degree of danger.
so, it passed with less damages.
SEE, we have blessed Gulf. :)

I'm busy now, but still,, i will try to come back soon.

6/08/2007 4:21 AM  
Anonymous lynn said...

I only heard that it is very similar to what you have posted about here. I'm not a scholar of Islamic history. I thought that I would ask what you thought. I guess Halalhippie is curious as well. You don't know anything about it?

6/08/2007 10:15 AM  
Blogger HalalHippie said...

I'm happy that you're safe from the storm.

Lynn, try this link at Wikipedia for a start.

6/09/2007 9:24 AM  
Blogger poshlemon said...

Interesting post. I have come across this a long time ago.

8/05/2007 6:57 AM  
Anonymous Rachel said...

Thank you my dear for the enlightenment. Rabbis will be amazed to learn that their lifetime of Talmud study was so lacking in substance that they need a nazi or white supremicist to explain it's meanings. Your 'chapter and verse' quotes are so far from reality that I must assume your Talmud education is equal to your public scholastic achievements. This site is generally anti-racist rather than a 'Jewish' forum.

The Real Truth About the Talmud

The anti-talmudic lies are exactly that - lies. The wisdom of the Talmud has sustained Judaism for thousands of years and perhaps its very success is what has engendered so much jealous hatred.

1/12/2008 7:50 PM  

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