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Saturday, May 20, 2006

Real Picture

"I'm besieged" "I'm starving"

Two little boys showing to the world the suffering of Palestinian people due to the siege and cutting the aid(s) in front of UN office in Gaza.

Is this the tax of the democracy, the choice of Palestinians?
I think the world saying now: Okay Palestinians…you chose Hamas…you used your free will and democracy…
So, here you are the result of the democracy.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent wordings, it would only highlight the hypocricy of the democracy of the west!!


5/20/2006 9:52 AM  
Blogger halalhippie said...

Noor: I promised myself I wouldn't debate the IS/PA conflict, and here I am :-)

It would seem that the USA/EU is taking revenge on Palestine. Starving them into submission. Let me show u how it looks from the EU:

Many years ago it was made illegal to support Hamas w/money, bcos it was (rightly and wrongly) labelled a terrorist-organisation. In January when Hamas won the election the EU would be breaking its own law by sending aid directly to Hamas.

On the 9th of May USA and agreed to start sending aid again. The aid will have to go to NGO's - Non Government Organisations. It means no money for Hamas, but for the PA ppl.

A number of Danish charity organistaions were working on projects in PA before they were chased out in february. Some of them are returning.

Thikra: hipocrisy ? If I give money to charity, I expect nothing in return. But I give of my own choice. And start giving to somebody else of my own choice. Sad as the situation in PA is, you can hardly blame it on the EU. On USA to a certain degree, yes.

5/20/2006 10:52 AM  
Blogger halalhippie said...

oops, I mean (rightly OR wrongly) terrorist - it's not for me to say.

5/20/2006 10:53 AM  
Blogger Tristan Vick said...

Yes, please blame the U.S.A. I very much would like that. If you know why, then you won't have to blame anyone but yourself, but don't. I want you to blame the U.S.

I'm a U.S. citizen, and I say, it is okay to blame us. Blame us all you want. I'm not being sarcastic, and I am giving you the free right to place all the blame you want onto the shoulders of the U.S.

Here's the thing though... if you want an arguement of the "political reasons" surrounding the controversy, please come informed. But until then, you're free to blame anyone you want.

5/20/2006 10:36 PM  
Blogger Tristan Vick said...

It's just a thought, but while everyone is blaming the U.S., I guess the obvious question would HAVE to be... "What are you doing to help the suffering of Pallestine?"

I mean, that's the obvious question, right? And call me curious, but between shifting the blame and placing the blame, are you doing relief work or donating anything you can to help? I mean, I am. Heck, I don't agree with everything my Government says or does either, but it doesn't mean I should become lazy and just blame it on some politician, or some other country. Darn you Jamaica! I mean... does that even make sense?

Anonymous said: Excellent wordings, it would only highlight the hypocricy of the democracy of the west!

--Sorry, but saying "hypocricy of the decomcracy..." doesn't make sense. Democracy is a political philosophy of freedom. While many American's may take their freedoms for granted, to blame a demographic that has no effect on the outcome, is not fair. But you're blaming the "political ideology" and that's like saying "They hypocricy of Albert Einstiens Theory of Relativity."

It doesn't really make sense. If in some way you were making a refernce to the democratic failings of the U.S.A., then I might understand where you're going with this. But if you feel unjust because of the treatment, just realize that unless you are a U.S. citizen you are not granted the democratic rights protected by the laws or constitution of this Nation.

On the other hand, if you are refering to how a country which preaches peace and freedom can openly attack and invade a foreign entity --a Nation like Iraq, then you're not alone. Many American's think that it's a hypocritical act also. But they would be the ones which AGREE with you! Why blame them? But these people are the smaller majority, even though there are millions of them! There are still more of the other kind.

But like I said, you can place blame all day long. If you don't take the time to do something productive and supportive out of your desire to help those suffering, then placing the blame is all for not.

5/20/2006 11:23 PM  
Blogger Noor said...

Thikra: thank u, I just scanned what I found and hurt me to let more ppl see the game of democracy.
Halalhippie: I can't stop thinking about the injustice of our world.
that's the point of all that,, humiliating the people of Palestine for their choice and forced them to reject Hamas if they want to live.
I know that there are good people and organizations want to help, but when you have the idea or "LIE" that Hamas or Fateh are terrorists' organizations, you will stay back and away.
"it was (rightly or wrongly) labeled a terrorist-organization"
Sure, wrongly, now who defend his people, his land became a terrorist, so all people who are fighting for freedom are terrorists!!
Many faithful Palestinians stick to their lands and homes, and never submitted to the terror of Zionism army. I really find them brave and more powerful with their lively and strongly souls and faiths. Some who left their homes and lands have Palestine in their hearts. You will be amaze if you went to Jordan for example to see the Palestinians camps and they draw Palestine everywhere and still dreaming to go back and take back what they left or rather to say "what Zionists forced them to leave!".

Tristan: oh my God, what happened to u??!! we r discussing the real life, not blaming u! and sorry to say USA has real passion to Israel and Vito always ready to prevent any decision must be taken against their aggression. That is what really happen.
Any you are right, we are the one we should blame… if we really get that union and one hand no one will dare to stand and attack any part of our union. And sorry, we tried to do and collect aids, but did that really reach Palestinians,,, I don't think so. Now, no one will dare to help or try to "smuggle" aids and foods and medicines like criminals to poor civilians because US said no help no aids for ur choice of Hamas.

What Thikra meant as I meant that democracy has been used as an excuse like FREEDOM "using in their wrong place"..
Did Iraqi people now living in heaven and relish the sweetest of freedom and democracy. Yes, they rid of Sadam, but they have now worst days than Sadam's days.
Let me ask u dear brother, why the police attacked the huge crowds of American who protest against war and demand the troops to go back home. Why no one listen to the street voice of America?
If that happen in America, what do you expect to be in the rest of world.
And what kind of democracy that America want for others?!!!!!!!!!!

5/21/2006 4:54 AM  
Blogger Tristan Vick said...


I understand all the sociopolitical sensativity. But if we didn't have the right to protest our "street voice" as you mentioned, then there wouldn't be any democracy. No freedom in oppression, right? That's why liberation is an important part of democracy. Change is hard, no one ever said it would be easy. The problem comes when you can't tell if it was a forced change or an oppressive rein? But only time can answer this -it's too soon to tell.

America is a global superpower. I could recommend lots of books on our political system and how the government functions, (very boring books) and maybe that would help explain why many American people can't do anything about the external horros of the world, but over time, yes we can slowly change things.

I mean, yes... there is still suffering in countries like Palestine, and it's unfair, but complaining how the world governs the various political sanctions isn't fixing any problems. Let alone, Palestine is one small country. There are many more just like it... and others that have it worse. What are we doing to help them? The wold has become an awefully small place, but we can't think narrowly, we have to think globally.

I would like to ask any Palestinian, how would you fix the problems going on now in Palestine? And after that, how would you recommend we solve the rest of the worlds problems? And see... that's the difficulty... isn't it? But if anyone has some edcuated and productive recommendations on what affirmative actions can be done, by all means... share them. The more people who know how to help, the better (and faster) we will be able to help.

5/21/2006 7:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tristan, why its the responsibilty of the US to fix problems?!! why did the US interfer in Iraq (even if it owns WMD)? Who assigned the US as the cop of the world?

You dont need to ask palastianians would they run thier "country", give them a land and let them run it the way they like!!

Halalhippie, when I said that hypocracy, I meant that the west uses democracy when it fits thier intrest, otherwise they dont really give a damn if the leader is a dictator or not. I dont mind that, politics is dirty! but they shouldnt make the world beleive that they are the best here when all what they are doing is playing with words!


5/21/2006 7:25 AM  
Blogger halalhippie said...

Tristan, I dunno if u refer 2 me, when I say "blame the USA to a certain extent" I mean I can't blame a PA for blaming the USA, if he's hit by a rocket made in USA.
And ur right, long as u blame somebody for your situation, ur not doing anything about it

Thikra and Noor: ur basically saying that EU/USA are using "democracy" as an excuse to impose their will on others ?

If I say that some ppl use Islam "as an excuse to impose their will on others" u might say there's nothing wrong with Islam, only with people.

This is hard 2 discuss, I'm happy ur all respectful about it

5/21/2006 11:33 AM  
Blogger A.Adam said...

I'm besieged I'm starving

I'm Palestinian...
touched picture noor, and deocracy is not exist and you can found this word only inour talk and dictionary.

5/21/2006 1:15 PM  
Blogger Arabian Princess said...

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5/22/2006 6:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Yes some people sadly use Islam to gain thier own powers. Sadly that is happening to each religion and each political party. But, when a super power uses democracy to impose thier own intrest, people blindly beleive that thier are doing for the good of the world !!


5/22/2006 6:57 AM  
Blogger Um Haleema said...

Yes, that was their democratic choice and now their welfare is cut off. It is up to their leaders to support them instead of the rest of the world. Instead of using their energies hating the rest of the world why don't they put the effort into creating jobs, properly educating their children or fighting to get some money back from Arafat's wife who is living very comfortably off of the past welfare that the Palestinians were given?

I'm sorry if it sounds cold but if I gave money to a starving beggar on the street and then I saw him do a dance when he heard that I was in pain (think of the 9/11 dances on the streets of Palestine) that charity would be the last that I ever gave him or any of his brothers.

5/30/2006 5:45 AM  
Blogger Noor said...

Um Haleema: who r u? I'm really confused!! U can't judge the whole people by acts of some. I really think that there r very honest Palestinians that want peace, want live and let other live!
Dear sister, I heard of the dancing of some Jews and some Palestinians in that day 9/11. Should I say: all of Jews and all of Palestinians are bad and insensate…sure not. I remember that day, I was shocked and I was terrifying to see innocent people jumping hopelessly out of the windows of the towers, I cried with old mother came with her son's photo seeking and hoping to find him alive. I really hated who did that and who let that happened. We are still humans sharing one nature and have lots of commons.
If someone hurt you, u should be the good one and be indulgent. You should see that this man isn't worthy to represent the people of Palestine or any other nation bcos he is pitiless person. I faced some of these types, but I ignored them and even helped them when they needed help, some of them touched with that and now they are nice and sensitive.
We should not give up that easily, we should have the big hearts.

6/01/2006 6:36 AM  
Blogger Um Haleema said...

What do you mean who am I? What are you confused about? Of course I'm sure that there are a great many Palestinians that just want to live and let live. But there is also a great number that carry a lot of hatred in their hearts rather than doing as you yourself suggest "If someone hurt you, u should be the good one and be indulgent." Why should even one of them be so angry with the U.S. that they should dance at their pain? Didn't they know about the millions of dollars in aid that the U.S. has given them every single year? Why should they have so much hate for people that are trying to help them? I never heard anything about any Jews doing that. What reason would they have to do that?
Back in my younger days I was more supportive of the Palestinian cause than I am today. While I still feel for the struggles of the mothers and children that have to live that life in Palestine, I have become very disappointed and disgusted over the years at the violent choices that have been made. Why would a mother dress her young child in a suicide vest? Why would a mother be proud of her child that became a suicide bomber that killed innocents? If freedom fighters want to kill soldiers I can maybe support that but not terrorizing innocent civilians who are just trying to live their lives as well. Where is the common sense with these people that would support this? Daily they see that all they are doing is more harm in the long run. They are not going to gain anything at all but more and more heartache. They need to wise up and elect leaders that will help them build a state rather than one that will be "tough" against the "Zionist State". What plans does Hamas have to build a viable, self sufficient state? When the settlers left that greehouse,which supported their community well, where was the rationale of the people that destroyed it rather than use it to feed and support themselves so those children wouldn't have to starve when the welfare was cut off? If you want to say that these are acts of a few then why aren't we seeing huge demonstrations from the rest of them condemning these acts of a few? Instead they celebrate a suicide bomber and congratulate his parents. I'm sorry but it just baffles my mind.

6/01/2006 9:54 PM  
Blogger Noor said...

Take it easy dear. Through your name I thought you are Muslim or Arabic, so you should know about all these!!
Hmmmm, well, I'm not Palestinian nor I live near to them, but as I can see and as we discussed before, we should divided USA into 2 sections: one, the people who are great, considerate and have much love and sympathetic, Two, the Government which has also good deeds, but not always right. Can you explain to me why USA prevent any resolution to stop aggression of Zionists…. While all members have been agreed to take it. I don't even know why 5 countries have to stop some fair decisions without any right!!
Looks like a game of power to me!!
I have no authority to speak on their behave. But as you said by urself " I still feel for the struggles of the mothers and children that have to live that life in Palestine",, many people there suffered and tried to live as much as they can normal like us, but it's so hard as long as the circle of "assassination and revenge" still going on.
Let's pray for the peace of this world.

6/03/2006 7:44 AM  
Blogger Um Haleema said...

"Through your name I thought you are Muslim or Arabic, so you should know about all these!!"

All these what? The answers to how the mother can proudly dress her child in a suicide vest? Or how the mother can accept congratulations for her child that just killed innocents?

One does not have to be Muslim or Arab to understand world history or the struggle for freedom from oppression? Does one have to take a special class or sign some sort of agreement to accept and make excuses for any violence done by Muslims if one is to become Muslim?
I was never told of that before. To be Muslim does that mean that you have to ignore the common sense that says violence begets violence?

6/05/2006 6:23 AM  
Blogger Noor said...

Oh Dear Um Haleema: Whatever u r. we live away from the circle of events. We just receive the daily pictures, the news, by the media...well, what media can really capture. In the west, the media mostly are biased and don't give the real picture, the real facts. I can't blame them or attack them,,, each one seek for his/her self-interests. I hope you read the story of that boy who I can't remember his name,,, see how he couldn't continue in that unstable life,,, no one can,,, we here just analyze or attack or blame or criticize, but did we really try to go there, to touch and try their own daily life. I'm not talking about Fatah or Hamas. But about the normal poor people,,, who done nothing and their destiny put them in that place at this time. That is all not mean I support killing and violence, but before we go directly and judge, we should try to see the whole picture, try to touch their pain and feel it for once. Yes, I have a Palestinian friends, but they never been to Palestine, they born and live in other countries, but Palestine in their hearts and minds. You can't find people love their lands and country like the faithful Palestinians. They always say: "all peoples have a country living in, but we have country live in us, in our hearts"
It's not easy case to discuss, I can't really give you anything because I'm so far from the reality, but if you want really to feel that, go to Palestinians blogs like: Raising Yousuf :-
She give real picture of living in Gaza strip. Hope you will find the Real Picture there.

6/09/2006 5:06 AM  
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